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Subject: short intro: teaching media request for inf.
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:08:06 -0700
From: Bridget Watson
To: blake@albion.com
Hello, My name is Bridget and I am a graduate student in English
Literature/ Lowly Teaching Assistant at San Francisco State University
for an "Age of Romantics" course.
I am a generalist, recently focusing on the end of the 18th century &
the majority of the 19th century. I am particularly interested in Blake,
but by no means claim consider myself an expert or a well seasoned
reader. For now, I am merely enthusiastic and appreciative of his art
and vision.
Other than an affection for Blake, I am interested in representations of
the working class, the poor, women, children, gender, sexuality, and
basically anyone without a the weight of convention behind them. I
suppose I am interested in portrayals of the underdog by the
non-underdog and underdogs alike. But I can still get lost in the
language of almost anything, which can get in the way in non-literary
tasks and literary ones alike.
While it may be early to solicit assistance from the group, I am
wondering if anyone out there has seen any interesting films or
videotape materials, or actually any media, on William Blake or this
period in general. Has there been any recent documentary done that does
Blake service or comes close?
(For that matter, we are also looking for biographical/ thematic films
on Coleridge, Wordsworth, the Shellys, Byron, The French Revolution,
Religion @ England @ Blake's period, Aesthetics in the 18th c., etc.)
Also, my prof. insists that he saw advertised Blake's complete works on
slides for only $10, but cannot recall the specific advertisement. Any
ideas as to where this may have been recently offered to aficionados?
Thanks,
BW [ litwit@jps.net]
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Subject: s.o.s.!
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:52:32 -0500
From: Thora Brylowe
To: "blake@albion.com"
Once again I throw myself upon the mercy of the Blake list.
I am working on a paper, the thesis of which is that Songs of Innocence
represents a shift in Blake's process of producing illuminated books. He
moves away from a traditional idea of the book toward a more holistic (and
collectible) form of art. I use for evidence the integration of border,
text, and words into a more organic-looking whole. However, the residual
roman "typeface" held over from the earlier works binds it to those earlier
works, much the way incunabula looked like illuminated MSS. (We tend to
work in the vocabulary with which we are familiar.)
I have done lots of cultural research, art history research, book history
research, &c. So the emergency is as follows: my advisor has gently
informed me that if I am to write a Blake thesis for an English department,
I really must address the poetry.
Oh. I suppose I must.
My primary examples have been "The Blossom" and "Infant Joy," because the
border and illustration combine but they do not encroach upon the text
itself, which lays in its two-dimentional field, unmolested by the
encroaching borders that divide verses in many of the other poems.
I have been able to discuss the accessibility of the language in these poems
and the fact that they tend to contain concrete imagery (one noun per line
in "The Blossom," for example). But I can find no metric consistency, and
I'm afraid I don't quite know how to proceed. (I blame an undergraduate
literature/political science major and a masters program wherein I have done
lots of cultural criticism and not much close reading--and almost no
poetry! Poor choices on my part, I suppose...)
In any case, I would appreciate some advice on how to proceed or what
critics to look at. Again, I have looked at a good deal of Blake criticism,
but really from an art history perspective.
Thank you all once again.
Best,
Thora Brylowe
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Subject: Re: short intro: teaching media request for inf.
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:11:32 -0500
From: Robert Anderson
To: blake@albion.com
I don't know if you have consulted the Romantics Circles Website which has
some archival postings about 20th c. representations of romantic writers
(go to the scholarly resources section, and then to the last page). It is
not specific to film, and fairly weak in what you are looking for, as far
as I can recall. One film that sticks out in my mind is Jarmusch's _Dead
Man_ with Johnny Depp as a Bill Blake in the late 19th c. American west who
meets an Indian by the name of "Nobody" who is convinced he is the real
William Blake. It is a strange and provocative film, but not obviously
revelatory about the life of Blake.
I too am interested in what you find. I am teaching a course in the fall
about 20th Century representations of romantic poets and works.
Rob Anderson
At 05:08 PM 2/16/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello, My name is Bridget and I am a graduate student in English
>Literature/ Lowly Teaching Assistant at San Francisco State University
>for an "Age of Romantics" course.
>
>I am a generalist, recently focusing on the end of the 18th century &
>the majority of the 19th century. I am particularly interested in Blake,
>but by no means claim consider myself an expert or a well seasoned
>reader. For now, I am merely enthusiastic and appreciative of his art
>and vision.
>
>Other than an affection for Blake, I am interested in representations of
>the working class, the poor, women, children, gender, sexuality, and
>basically anyone without a the weight of convention behind them. I
>suppose I am interested in portrayals of the underdog by the
>non-underdog and underdogs alike. But I can still get lost in the
>language of almost anything, which can get in the way in non-literary
>tasks and literary ones alike.
>
>While it may be early to solicit assistance from the group, I am
>wondering if anyone out there has seen any interesting films or
>videotape materials, or actually any media, on William Blake or this
>period in general. Has there been any recent documentary done that does
>Blake service or comes close?
>
>(For that matter, we are also looking for biographical/ thematic films
>on Coleridge, Wordsworth, the Shellys, Byron, The French Revolution,
>Religion @ England @ Blake's period, Aesthetics in the 18th c., etc.)
>
>Also, my prof. insists that he saw advertised Blake's complete works on
>slides for only $10, but cannot recall the specific advertisement. Any
>ideas as to where this may have been recently offered to aficionados?
>
>Thanks,
>BW [ litwit@jps.net]
>
>
>
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Subject: A Query -Forwarded
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:21:52 +0000
From: Martin Price
To: blake@albion.com
If anyone could possibly help with my request I would be eternally grateful.
Thank you
Martin Price
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Subject: A Query
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 10:22:18 +0000
From: Martin Price
To: blake-request@albion.com
Just a note to say thank you for including me as a recipient for mail within
the discussion group, I have found it's value imeasurable with helping me to
write my dissertation.
However I would like to send a circular to members of the discussion group
so I could include their responses in my work. I thought I would write and ask
the mechanics of doing this, as I don't want to butt in on ongoing
discussions.
The question I would like to ask is :
Is William Blake a Political Writer ?
And if so what relavence do his political views have in the contemporary
world ?
I realise this is a question which one can spend a lifetime answering, but
any reponses at all will be greatly appreciated. I would also like to quote
members of the goup who reply, so a full title would be appreciated but not
necessary.
Thank you for your time
Martin Price
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Subject: Re: s.o.s.!
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:16:16 EST
From: TomD3456@aol.com
To: blake@albion.com
Dear Thora,
Interesting problem, well and cutely stated. I think the underlying problem
is: How to shift your thesis to one that gives you a real reason for
addressing the poetry.
I have a wee problem with your thesis to begin with, in that Songs of
Innocence was Blake's first illuminated book (except for "All Religions Are
One" and "There is No Natural Religion," which are so slight as hardly to
count), so I don't see how it can "represent a shift in Blake's process of
producing illuminated books." Previously, he hardly had a process to shift.
(See the introduction to the Princeton/Blake Trust edition of The Early
Illuminated Books, if you haven't already, for a really (ahem!) illuminating
discussion of Blake's production process.)
But assuming that your intention is to compare/contrast Songs of Innocence to
more traditional books, you might take a hint from the introduction to the
Princeton/Blake Trust _S of I and of E_ (volume 2 in the series), where the
editors' Introduction states (p.14), "'Songs of Innocence' invites comparison
with a range of other children's books available at the time," which they
enumerate. Choosing one of those books (Barbauld, Watts, etc.) to compare
with _S of I_ might give you ample opportunity to discuss text as well as book
design (and who knows, maybe an organic relation between them?).
Hope this is helpful.
--Tom Devine
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Subject: Re: s.o.s.!
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:46:25 -0600
From: jmichael@sewanee.edu (Jennifer Michael)
To: blake@albion.com
>But assuming that your intention is to compare/contrast Songs of Innocence to
>more traditional books, you might take a hint from the introduction to the
>Princeton/Blake Trust _S of I and of E_ (volume 2 in the series), where the
>editors' Introduction states (p.14), "'Songs of Innocence' invites comparison
>with a range of other children's books available at the time," which they
>enumerate. Choosing one of those books (Barbauld, Watts, etc.) to compare
>with _S of I_ might give you ample opportunity to discuss text as well as book
>design (and who knows, maybe an organic relation between them?).
There's an article somewhere called "Hell's Hymnbook" that addresses this
comparison. If I were writing from my office I could find the book it's
in, but in the meantime someone else may know it.
Jennifer Michael