Today's Topics:
Re: tu quoque?
Re: "Hi, in your Utopia would you have parties?"
Re: "Hi, in your Utopia would you have parties?"
Re: "Hi, in Utopia you have big parties?"
Re: Faith, belief, and understanding?
Re: Faith, belief, and understanding?
Re: REPRESSION
Re: "Hi, in Utopia you have big parties?"
Re: REPRESSION
Re: REPRESSION
Re: los and women--a dusting
RE: los and women--a dusting
RE: los and women
Re: Milton and God
Re: "Hi, in your Utopia would you have parties?"
Re: Blake & Printmaking, Gilchrist
Re: Blake's Characters
Re: Milton and God
Re: Correction
RE: Milton and God
Re: a dusting ------Milton & megaphones
Re: a dusting ------Milton & megaphones
Re: Haines (was Robert Hunt)
Re: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
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Re: Lafcadio Hearn
Re: Bruce Dickinson's "Chemical Wedding"
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Musical settings of Blake's poems
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:04:06 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: tu quoque?
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030406.01053640@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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At 10:42 PM 9/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I do not intend, of course, to quote Ms. Van Schaik's words as
>evidence, since it has never occurred to me to archive them as
>treasures to be cherished. Like many on the list, I suppose I
>would rather let the ongoing debate die out, but since silence
>is too often mistaken for assent, I am unwilling to let it be
>thought that Ms. Van Schaik's canards are worthy of approval.
>
>Ms. Van Schaik appears to deny the existence of the "tu quoque"
>argument in her endless posts. I can only suggest that anyone
>who has been reading her for the past few weeks must surely have
>noticed the frequency with which she has insisted that challenges
>or criticisms of her posts have been "really," in her terms,
>descriptions of the posters. It is all reminiscent of a
>child in a schoolyard squealing "takes one to know one!" and
>insisting that her adversary is "a bigger nasty [whatever]".
>Probably Ms. Van Schaik will deny that she has been doing this,
>but I doubt that anyone else on the list can have missed her
>display of this tired evasion of discussion.
>
>As for illogic, the persistence with which Ms. Van Schaik offers
>fervent testimonials to her "evidence" and then reversed herself
>when challenged has already been demonstrated by Tim Linnell.
>
>For an example that I can at least paraphrase accurately, Ms.
>Van Schaik has repeatedly suggested that I "create an edition"
>that eliminates all the spiritual elements in Blake. This
>begs so many questions that it is indeed typical of the
>illogic and irrationality of her posts. It is also a "tu
>quoque," since it is, in fact, her response to my consistent
>position that her theosophical/spiritualistic readings of
>not only Blake but other literature (some may remember her
>nearly hysterical reaction to a historicist reading of
>Shakespeare's _Tempest_--really a virtuoso display of its
>kind) is reductive and simplistic. Her question begging
>is obvious in that she suggests that I have denied there
>are spiritual elements in Blake. In fact, she cannot possibly
>support such a statement. Only a fool would deny the
>spiritual elements in Blake. What I deny is not Blake's
>spirituality, which is all too evident, but the validity
>of the *spiritualism*--the table-tapping theosophical
>mumbojumbo that Ms. Van Schaik regularly offers as her
>intepretations of Blake and then, when challenged,
>spins about and tries to pretend is not what she really
>has meant.
>
>Ms. Van Schaik's "thanks for the party" posting (there, I did
>quote some of her words) is the most recent example of her
>efforts to obscure or reconfigure the record of her many
>years of posting to this list. (In my memory, the whole
>conflict with her began years ago during a discussion of
>The Book of Thel, to which she applied her same spiritualistic
>reading and became extremely exercised against those who
>posed other versions.) I cannot agree with Tim Linnell
>that this post represents a new stage in Ms. Van Schaik's
>participation, since the insistence on the special brand
>of spirituality Ms. Van Schaik chooses to peddle is still
>prominent, at least in the second half of the post. Of
>course we can all see the "Blake" she constructs in the
>first half, and could not disagree with much of that
>section, but she still is trying to be and not to be,
>simultaneously, to affirm and to pretend not to affirm.
>
>I fully intend not to pay any further attention to Ms. Van
>Schaik and her spirits, but I do not care to leave her
>ridiculous misrepresentations of my views or of my
>discourse with her unchallenged. Perhaps she can
>find happiness with her version of Thel in her
>version of the Vale of Har. Who knows? Maybe that
>"book" she has been advertising to us for lo, these
>many years, will actually find a publisher in Har?
>I would be fascinated to read it (really!).
>Tom Dillingham
>
>
>
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:04:15 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: "Hi, in your Utopia would you have parties?"
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030415.01058364@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:04:20 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: "Hi, in your Utopia would you have parties?"
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030420.01037d30@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:04:24 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: "Hi, in Utopia you have big parties?"
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030424.01047b70@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:04:33 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Faith, belief, and understanding?
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030433.01049fc4@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:04:48 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Faith, belief, and understanding?
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030448.0104a0a8@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:04:53 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: REPRESSION
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030453.0104cee0@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:04:45 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: "Hi, in Utopia you have big parties?"
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030445.010488f0@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:04:56 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: REPRESSION
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030456.0102e96c@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:05:02 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: REPRESSION
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030502.0104d030@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:05:13 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: los and women--a dusting
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030513.01037ff4@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:05:27 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: RE: los and women--a dusting
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030527.0102ed78@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:05:40 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: RE: los and women
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030540.00d1ce94@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:05:50 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Milton and God
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030550.00da4368@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:05:58 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: "Hi, in your Utopia would you have parties?"
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030558.00f6fd1c@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:06:02 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Blake & Printmaking, Gilchrist
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030602.00f6fbe8@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:06:07 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Blake's Characters
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030607.00fd9548@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:06:12 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Milton and God
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030612.01011300@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:06:16 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Correction
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030616.00dcebe8@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:06:20 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: RE: Milton and God
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030620.01011cc8@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:06:24 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: a dusting ------Milton & megaphones
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030624.00dddab0@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:06:29 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: a dusting ------Milton & megaphones
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030629.0101480c@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:06:33 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Haines (was Robert Hunt)
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030633.01004498@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:09:20 EDT
From: ScarltGrrl@aol.com
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Message-Id: <231bfefe.361ce3b0@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Can someone send me the remove command for this list?
I'm sorry, but this is an e-mail for my magazine and I get hundreds of pieces
of mail as it is, and the cap51 spam is just over much.
- heather corinna
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:37:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ralph Dumain
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: MICHAEL CAPUTO SPAM
Message-Id: <2.2.16.19981008123610.397f863c@pop.igc.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I just received a batch over 100 nonce-messages from Michael Caputo. This
spam should be considered harassment and this individual should be removed
from the list at once. Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:05:41 -0300
From: Vanessa Shaw <031862s@acadiau.ca>
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: WHO IS THIS???
Message-Id: <361CFEF5.17E7ECED@acadiau.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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Michael,
Whoever you are, i just recieved 140 messages from you... can you please
stop it! I would really appreciate it!!
Vanessa
Michael Caputo wrote:
>
> leave me alone!
>
> You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
> But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 16:19:04 -0700
From: Seth T. Ross
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: denial-of-service attack
Message-Id: <9810082319.AA00236@albion.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Blakeans:
No one was more distressed than I to see the 141 messages posted by one
former subscriber. By the time I saw the first notes, it was too late to
intercept the others. I sent a nastygram to this individual and his
postmasters. I'll be taking further steps to lessen the chance of this
happening again.
Yours,
Seth
Albion.com Sysadmin
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 16:20:16 -0700
From: Seth T. Ross
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Bruce Dickinson's "Chemical Wedding"
Message-Id: <9810082320.AA00310@albion.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Forwarding from Dr. Josie McQuail ...
Begin forwarded message:
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 05:17:40 -0700
From: "DR. JOSIE MCQUAIL"
Subject: Bruce Dickinson's "Chemical Wedding"
To: Blake@albion.com
I know recently there were some references to musical settings of Blake, and
this may have been mentioned by someone already. A student brought me this
CD, it comes with a little booklet with "The Ghost of a Flea" on the
cover with other of Blake's artworks interspersed within. "Chemical
Wedding" has what looks like a take-off on the Mundane Egg in Milton.
Tracks obviously relating to Blake are "Book of Thel," "Gates of Urizen,"
and "Jerusalem." The latter contains "And Did Those Feet" from the Preface
to Milton, with a chorus "Let it Rain, Let it Rain, Wash the Scales from my
Eyes, Let it Rain, Let it Rain, Let me see Again. and an added verse See
the Gleaming Fires of the Citadel, the King and Queen Will Dwell, in our
Hearts. Can Jerusalem be rebuilded here, In this Tribial Time, In the Land
of Fear, in Jerusalem, Where the Grail remains, Walk into the Light and
Dissolve the Chains. Jerusalem.
The others I won't quote because of copyright protection, but they don't
quote Blake.
I haven't had a chance to listen to the CD yet.
Anyone know anything about Bruce Dickinson or have any comments on the CD?
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 17:11:36 -0700
From: Seth T. Ross
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Message-Id: <9810090011.AA00426@albion.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
> Can someone send me the remove command for this list?
To leave the Blake List, send an email message to
blake-request@albion.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the
SUBJECT field. Please use the address blake-request@albion.com
for all administrative queries.
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:13:20 -0500
From: "J. Michael"
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Message-Id:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Can someone send me the remove command for this list?
>
>I'm sorry, but this is an e-mail for my magazine and I get hundreds of pieces
>of mail as it is, and the cap51 spam is just over much.
>
>- heather corinna
To leave the Blake List, send an email to
blake-request@albion.com
with the word "unsubscribe" as the SUBJECT of the message.
But for what it's worth, the offending spammer seems to have been removed.
Jennifer Michael
jmichael@sewanee.edu
"Every thing that lives is holy." --William Blake
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:36:16 -0800
From: ndeeter
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Michael Caputo
Message-Id: <361D2240.78E1@concentric.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I'm glad Michael Caputo has nothing better to do with his spare time.
Here's an individual who's REALLY contributing to the greater good. ;-|
Nathan Deeter
ndeeter@concentric.net
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:41:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Crigger"
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Message-Id:
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
I think I understand the motivation for this repeat emailing. It's really
frusterating because I have had the same problem I have tried to
unsubscribe from this list several times. I've followed procedure exactly
but no one there seems to care. It's very frusterating! If anyone who is
reading this can get in touch with the people who manage this newsgroup
maybe they can mention that this is a big problem.
Thanks,
Amy
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:34:13 EDT
From: Chatham1@aol.com
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: MICHAEL CAPUTO SPAM
Message-Id:
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good idea- for a minute I thought there was cloudsplit
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:24:52 -0400
From: jonj@interlog.com (Jon James)
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Help.
Message-Id: <199810090021.UAA12381@smtp.interlog.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
There is not enough time on this earth to understand Michael Caputo
cap51@nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Just go away, find some help and move. Brunswick would be better off without
you.
>leave me alone!
>
>
>
>You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
>But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
Jon James
jonj@interlog.com
OR jjames@ctv.ca
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:39:40 -0700
From: John Young
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: MICHAEL CAPUTO SPAM
Message-Id: <361DA19C.FBED8864@popmail.csulb.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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ditto
Ralph Dumain wrote:
> I just received a batch over 100 nonce-messages from Michael Caputo. This
> spam should be considered harassment and this individual should be removed
> from the list at once. Thanks.
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:55:35 +0100 (MET)
From: Henriette Stavis
To: tomdill@wc.stephens.edu
Cc: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Lafcadio Hearn
Message-Id:
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Dear Tom,
Sorry that it's taken so long to answer your request about Hearn, but
your message was quite simply lost in the deluge that has been raging in
my mailbox lately.
It was some time in September that I sent a bibliographic note on Hearn
to Ralph Dumain. So I apologize if he's already answered you question
ages ago.
Anyway, I discovered a chapter on Blake in:
Hearn, Lafcadio. INTERPRETATIONS OF LITERATURE. (Port Washington, NY:
Kennikat Press, 1915), vols. I+II.
The chapter is called 'Blake - The First English Mystic' (vol. I, pp.
51-71).
I mentioned to Ralph that I thought that Hearn's interpretation of Blake
was a little judgemental and condescending, and that I thought that it
must be pre-Frye.
There are some good bits on mysticism, but again the whole approach is a
little simplistic. But this may be because Hearn was lecturing at the
University of Tokyo (early in this century) where the students (at the time)
seemed to have little or no background in English literature. The book is a
compilation of his lectures that were written down verbatim by some of his
bright and dilligent students.
I hope that helps.
Henriette
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:30:29 -0400
From: Matthew Bodie
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Bruce Dickinson's "Chemical Wedding"
Message-Id: <13320860938992@ij.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Bruce Dickinson, as far as I can remember from acquaintances who listened
to his type of music, was the lead singer of the British heavy metal band,
Iron Maiden. They've since disbanded and he's doing his own thing. I
don't much of anything else about him. Sorry.
At 04:20 PM 10/8/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Forwarding from Dr. Josie McQuail ...
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 05:17:40 -0700
>From: "DR. JOSIE MCQUAIL"
>Subject: Bruce Dickinson's "Chemical Wedding"
>To: Blake@albion.com
>
>I know recently there were some references to musical settings of Blake, and
>this may have been mentioned by someone already. A student brought me this
>CD, it comes with a little booklet with "The Ghost of a Flea" on the
>cover with other of Blake's artworks interspersed within. "Chemical
>Wedding" has what looks like a take-off on the Mundane Egg in Milton.
>Tracks obviously relating to Blake are "Book of Thel," "Gates of Urizen,"
>and "Jerusalem." The latter contains "And Did Those Feet" from the Preface
>to Milton, with a chorus "Let it Rain, Let it Rain, Wash the Scales from my
>Eyes, Let it Rain, Let it Rain, Let me see Again. and an added verse See
>the Gleaming Fires of the Citadel, the King and Queen Will Dwell, in our
>Hearts. Can Jerusalem be rebuilded here, In this Tribial Time, In the Land
>of Fear, in Jerusalem, Where the Grail remains, Walk into the Light and
>Dissolve the Chains. Jerusalem.
>
>The others I won't quote because of copyright protection, but they don't
>quote Blake.
>
>I haven't had a chance to listen to the CD yet.
>
>Anyone know anything about Bruce Dickinson or have any comments on the CD?
>
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:55:53 -0500
From: tomdill@wc.stephens.edu (TOM DILLINGHAM)
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Bruce Dickinson's "Chemical Wedding"
Message-Id: <98100908555347@wc.stephens.edu>
Nathan Deeter can probably supply more background about Bruce Dickinson
than I can, though I did respond to his earlier post about "Chemical
Wedding" because I have a copy of the cd (I bought it because of the
reproduction of "Ghost of the Flea" on the cover, not really for any
love of Dickinson's heavy metal music). In fact, as heavy metal goes,
this is a relatively inoffensive example--unless one is put off by
the plundering of Blake's imagery in a fairly uninformed manner. On
the other hand, one might welcome Dickinson's recognition of the
rougher and more rebellious aspects of Blake, since some other
musical settings (Greg Brown's, for example) tend to soften and
sweeten more than is entirely acceptable to me.
Tom Dillingham
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:16:21 -0400
From: "Richard Blumberg"
To: "Blake List"
Subject: Musical settings of Blake's poems
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I seem to recall that a group called the Fugs, in the early '60's, set one
or more of the Songs of Experience to music, or, in the parlance of that
day, "did a number on Blake". My LP player is long gone, though, as are, I
suspect, the Fugs.
Richard
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:01:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ralph Dumain
To:
Subject: Re: Musical settings of Blake's poems [FUGS]
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I'm sure the Fugs are no more, musically, and I missed out on them myself,
though I had an English teacher who really liked them. However, I did meet
one of their members, the poet Ed Sanders, in Buffalo circa 1980, and he is
without question a big Blake fan. He also agreed with my protests against
the tendency to depoliticize Blake.
At 10:16 AM 10/9/98 -0400, Richard Blumberg wrote:
>I seem to recall that a group called the Fugs, in the early '60's, set one
>or more of the Songs of Experience to music, or, in the parlance of that
>day, "did a number on Blake". My LP player is long gone, though, as are, I
>suspect, the Fugs.
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 98 13:06:12 -0700
From: Seth T. Ross
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Caputo spam wrap-up
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Blakeans:
I'm pleased to see the return of our regularly scheduled postings. Mr. Caputo
wrecked all kinds of havoc on the Blake List. Aside from the surge of
traffic, there were all kinds of secondary effects. Dozens of mail-loops
further complicated recovery. Even worse, some subscribers got bounced off the
list as the mail server panicked. Others found that their unsubscribe
requests were not honored. If you've encountered problems, please let me know
directly at blake-request@albion.com. I'll try to wrap the loose ends this
weekend.
I am pleased to report the one resourceful subscriber managed to contact
technical staff at Mr. Caputo's school. According to the technology
coordinator there ...
> the student will have his email privileges revoked for the
> remainder of the year, and will undertake counselling to prevent
> further problems. I apologise on behalf of our school.
I consider this a wrap.
Yours,
Seth
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:20:38 -0300
From: Vanessa Shaw <031862s@acadiau.ca>
To: "blake@albion.com"
Subject: understanding of innocence and experience...
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Hey all!
Does anyone happen to have any ideas on what Blake's understandings of
the terms "innocence" and "experience"? I'd really appreciate some
help...
Thanks,
Vanessa
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 20:25:01 -0700
From: John Young
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: understanding of innocence and experience...
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Vanessa,
Two thoughts:
Look up the two terms in the OED. You should find their meanings
(prescriptively and descriptively) documented through history.
and/or
Compare how he employs the terms in correspondence as opposed to creative
writing.
In a grossly simplistic sense, I believe "innocence" for Blake means that
state of being which views the world with a perspective which holds that
'I know nothing, therefore what I learn is discovery.' "Experience" would
be that state of being that looks at the discovery and applies critical
thinking to it. Ultimately, I'm shying away from the unfortunate trend of
thinking that for Blake "innocence" equals good, and "experience" equals
bad.
John.
Vanessa Shaw wrote:
> Hey all!
>
> Does anyone happen to have any ideas on what Blake's understandings of
> the terms "innocence" and "experience"? I'd really appreciate some
> help...
>
> Thanks,
> Vanessa
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