Today's Topics:
Re: PSYCHO-SOCIAL REPRESSION AND THE MISSING CONVERSATION
-Reply
RE: re. Ralph's questions
Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Re: invoking spirits---Bert
Re: Blake's outbursts
Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Re: PSYCHO-SOCIAL REPRESSION AND THE MISSING CONVERSATION
-Reply
RE: Blake's outbursts
Re: Blake's outbursts
Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Re: Blake's outbursts
Re: Because it is irrational -Reply
Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Re: OT: Beyond Words -Reply
Re: The Missing Conversation
Re: reply to Paul Yoder
Re: Robert Hunt
Re: nouns and verbs
Re: Blake's outbursts -Reply
Re: Because it is irrational -Reply -Reply
Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply -Reply
Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply -Reply
Re: WHich Blake is religious?
Re: Blake's outbursts
RE: Blake's outbursts
Re: Blake sighting in the rading party...
Re: PSYCHO-SOCIAL REPRESSION AND THE MISSING CONVERSATION
-Reply
Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Re: introduction
Re: Because it isnt Tertullus -Reply
Re: Blake sighting in the rading party... -Reply
Re: What Blake does each of us see at the PArty?
Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Re: What Blake does each of us see at the PArty?
Re: WHich Blake is religious?
Re: Printmaking
Re: What Blake does each of us see at the PArty?
Re: los and women
Re: los and women
Re: Because it is irrational -Reply -Reply
Re: Because it is irrational -Reply -Reply
Re: los and women
Re: "Hi, in your Utopia would you have parties?"
Re: los and women
Re: PSYCHO-SOCIAL REPRESSION AND THE MISSING CONVERSATION
-Reply
Re: Hearn post?
Re: los and women
RE: los and women
Re: Dickinson's "Chemical Wedding"
Re: party afterthoughts
Re: Pizza, Mr Blake?
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:56:58 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: PSYCHO-SOCIAL REPRESSION AND THE MISSING CONVERSATION
-Reply
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:57:15 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: RE: re. Ralph's questions
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025715.00f66c38@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:57:03 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025703.01075118@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:57:45 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: invoking spirits---Bert
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025745.00fb28f8@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:57:59 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Blake's outbursts
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025759.010eabfc@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:57:56 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025756.010e4e58@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:58:11 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: PSYCHO-SOCIAL REPRESSION AND THE MISSING CONVERSATION
-Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025811.010ed788@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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At 04:51 PM 9/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Which Blake would be counted among "religious people"? The Blake who had
>Oothoon exclaim:
>
>The moment of desire! the moment of desire! The virgin
>That pines for man; shall awaken her womb to enormous joys
>In the secret shadows of her chamber; the youth shut up from
>The lustful joy shall forget to generate. & and create an amorous image
>In the shadows of his curtains and in the folds of his silent pillow.
>Are not these the places of religion? the rewards of continence?
>The self-enjoyings of self-denial? Why dost thou seek religion?
>
>
>At 01:00 PM 9/15/1998 +0200, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>Re : "he's in a better place now".
>>
>>Blake may have retorted:
>>All is not Sin that Satan calls so: all the Loves & Graces of Eternity.
>>(Laocoon)
>>
>>Ralph says:"Aside from my dislike of religious people, the real issue is
>>religion in its social context. It's not just an abstraction. "
>>
>>You would have to include Blake among these, so why do you choose
>>this particular forum for venting your anger at those who love Blake for
>>his spiritual wisdom?
>>
>>
>>If the mother believes, as Blake does, that the True Self is eternal, how
>>can you be so discomfited by her that you regard her as a ` person so
>>estranged from her own being' that she makes you feel sick?
>>
>>Blake set out to write poetry to uplift the soul:
>> Spiritual War: ... is Art deliver'd from Nature and Imitation. (Laocoon)
>>
>>He also wrote a very moving letter to someone who had lost her son.
>>
>>There are very opposed views of what Blake 's vision of time and
>>eternity are online. Now, I know that I, and many other readers of Blake
>>am not blocking my mind to Blake's vision of the Eternal Man, so those
>>who do so seem best to fit Ralph's description:. when he says:
>>" The overt conversation one attempts to have is not a real
>>conversation. The reason that communication is blocked is that the mind
>>has numbed itself, retreating from the overwhelming reality that faces it
>>but that it cannot face. The mind regresses into a rigid, primitive state,
>>taking refuge in positions it cannot reasonably hold, in the face of its own
>>experience even. You can't say anything that will get through under
>>those circumstances."
>>
>>At the end of The Book of Urizen, Blake describes all the fallen children
>>of Albion in very similar terms when, under Urizen's scaly eyes, they all
>>forget their former divine existence
>>He also laments lost Innocence in The Book of Los:
>> O Times remote!
>> When love & joy were adoration,
>> And none impure were deem'd. ( Plate 3)
>>
>>Instead of perpetually accusing others of being impure, Ralph, in your
>>own words "this is the real conversation we should all be having; it
>>takes precedence over all other malfunctioning conversations. This is
>>_the_ topic of discussion. It's not just a matter of constipated
>>midwesterners; it's a universal problem. Where is that conversation that
>>is not taking place but in the final analysis is really all there is to
>discuss?
>>'
>>I am tired of being called names for trying to fill in the gaps that Mr Ralph
>>and Mr Tom leave out of Blake. Wouldn't Walt Whitman be more the
>>type of poet to discuss if you believe that Blake is interested only in this
>>world? Or Wordsworth? Or, if you insist on your Blake, then do start an
>>edition of him, as I suggested earlier, online, in which all can see what
>>you most admire in the poet.... just excise all the spiritual bits that you
>>don't like.
>>Pam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:58:08 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: RE: Blake's outbursts
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025808.010ed654@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:58:18 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Blake's outbursts
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025818.010d0b14@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:57:27 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025727.010eab24@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:57:49 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Blake's outbursts
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025749.010af568@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:58:05 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Because it is irrational -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025805.010c38f8@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:58:31 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025831.010eaf28@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:57:52 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025752.010d3888@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:58:44 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: OT: Beyond Words -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025844.010c10dc@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:57:20 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: The Missing Conversation
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025720.01014658@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:58:55 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: reply to Paul Yoder
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025855.010d5794@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:58:49 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Robert Hunt
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008025849.00d518b4@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:00:39 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: nouns and verbs
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030039.00f68f88@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:00:44 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Blake's outbursts -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030044.010c4d50@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:00:48 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Because it is irrational -Reply -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030048.010b4310@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:00:53 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030053.010cd6c0@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:00:58 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030058.010c51ac@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:01:03 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: WHich Blake is religious?
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030103.010b13f8@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:01:13 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Blake's outbursts
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030113.010a2efc@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:01:18 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: RE: Blake's outbursts
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030118.010b4574@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:01:22 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Blake sighting in the rading party...
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030122.010bc4e0@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:01:27 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: PSYCHO-SOCIAL REPRESSION AND THE MISSING CONVERSATION
-Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030127.010b4aac@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:01:31 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030131.010a93d0@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:01:35 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: introduction
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030135.010adc58@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:01:39 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Because it isnt Tertullus -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030139.010954cc@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:01:44 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Blake sighting in the rading party... -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030144.010aa8bc@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:01:49 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: What Blake does each of us see at the PArty?
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030149.010a3e28@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:01:54 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Belligerent Blakeans -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030154.0107cb58@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:02:15 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: What Blake does each of us see at the PArty?
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030215.01096fc4@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:02:19 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: WHich Blake is religious?
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030219.0109a5a0@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:02:24 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Printmaking
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030224.0109f938@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:02:34 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: What Blake does each of us see at the PArty?
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030234.01097830@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:02:38 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: los and women
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030238.01084430@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:02:46 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: los and women
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030246.01080e70@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:02:57 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Because it is irrational -Reply -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030257.0108ef80@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:03:01 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Because it is irrational -Reply -Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030301.01084540@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:03:07 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: los and women
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030307.010699d4@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
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At 10:33 AM 9/17/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Thanks Paul. This is the answer I usually give. Unfortunately we seem to
>hear a lot more from voices like Los' Spectre than from Oothoon. And
>clearly the whole Spectre/Emanation business is seen all but completely from
>a male point of view (there is that one instance of a female Emanation
>somewhere).
>
>But as I work through the poetry once again this semester I will keep you
>posted.
>
>
>>This is in response to Bruce Bigley's response to my question about Los and
>>women. I think Blake's attitude women and sex in general is pretty
problematic,
>>especially if you take the long view of his career as a whole. I tend to
think
>>that he confronts this issue finally at around plates 87-88 in *J*. Los has
>>just sung his song to Jerusalem -- a wonderful song that is sung in a
universal
>>moment of pause (J 85:14-21 for that moment of pause). In *The Continuing
>>City* Morton Paley sees this song as the climactic triumph for Los, a point
>>that I think is not supported by the text. Los goes home only to find that
>>Enitharmon is not happy about all the time he has been spending thinking
>>about Jerusalem and Vala, and they have a big fight, apparently about sex
>>(87:3-6). Essentially Enitharmon insists on the value of her own creative
>>impulses:
>> Enitharmon answerd: No! I will sieze thy Fibres & weave
>> Them: not as thou wilt but as I will, for I will Create
>> A round Womb beneath my bosom lest I also be overwoven
>> With Love; be thou assured I never will be thy slave (87:12-16).
>>>From there it only gets worse. Clearly Enitharmon does speak "in scorn &
>>jealousy," but she does have a point as well, and Los's response doesn't help
>>the situation -- "Los answerd sighing like the Bellows of his Furnaces / I
care
>>not!" (88:1-2). Los then tries to get back to work and Enitharmon goes to
>>sit by the beach in Sussex. This scene culminates in what is usually seen as
>>one of Blake's most sexist comments: "The Man who respects Woman shall be
>>despised by Woman . . . " (88:37ff.).
>>
>>But we should recognize that these are not "Blake's" words, but the words of
>>Los's Spectre, and herein lies the way, I think, to deal with so many
>>problems in Blake, and that is to recognize that these characters are not
>>"mouthpieces" for Blake as they are so often characterized. Los is *not*
>Blake,just as Enitharmon, the Spectre, Oothoon, Bromion and all the rest are
>not
>>Blake. They are characters in his visionary dramas. In order to dramatize
>>these confrontations, Blake must be distinct from them. Robert Gleckner told
>>me one time that he didn't think that Blake spoke in his own person at all
>>in the *Marriage*, and I would like to extend that insight to all of the
>>illuminated
>>books. People quote Blake's poetry all the time -- Blake says this and Blake
>>says that. Well, maybe Blake wrote that, but does he agree with everything
>>his characters say? Do we think that Milton agrees with everything Satan,
>>or Adam or Eve, or even God says? Of course not. The sexism we may see in
>>Blake is there, but it is not necessarily Blake's. It is rather Blake's
>>dramatization of these issues as they relate to the characters he has created.
>>
>>I'm sitll thinking through lots of this myself, but try this out on your
class.
>>
>>Paul Yoder
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:03:11 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: "Hi, in your Utopia would you have parties?"
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030311.010899f0@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:03:15 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: los and women
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030315.01081450@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:03:20 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: PSYCHO-SOCIAL REPRESSION AND THE MISSING CONVERSATION
-Reply
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030320.0107d270@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:03:25 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Hearn post?
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030325.0105f578@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:03:29 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: los and women
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030329.01075880@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:03:35 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: RE: los and women
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030335.0107e884@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:03:53 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Dickinson's "Chemical Wedding"
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030353.0105e8d0@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:03:59 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: party afterthoughts
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030359.00f6bb14@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:04:03 +1000
From: Michael Caputo
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Pizza, Mr Blake?
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981008030403.01019368@gateway.nhs.schnet.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
leave me alone!
You can take the boy out of Brunswick,
But you'll never take Brunswick out of the boy.
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