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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:48:52 -0700
From: "Charlie K."
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Quote
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"There is No Natural Religion" by William Blake (c. 1795)
I - Mans perceptions are not bounded by organs of perception, he
percieves more than sense (tho' ever so acute) can discover
II - Reason or the ratio of all we have already known. is not the
same that it shall be when we know more
IV - The bounded is loathed by its possessor, The same dull round
even of a universe would soon become a mill with complicated wheels.
V - If the many become the same as the few, when possess'd, More!
More! is the cry of a mistaken soul, less than All cannot satisfy
Man
VI - If any could desire what he is incapable of possessing. despair
must be his eternal lot
VII - The desire of Man being Infinite the possession is Infinite &
himself Infinite
Conclusion - If it were not for the Poetic or Prophetic character,
the Philosophic & Experimental would soon be at the ratio of all
things. & stand still, unable to do other than repeat the same dull
round over again
Application - He who sees the infinite in all things, sees God. He
who sees the Ratio only sees himself only
Therefore - God becomes as we are, that we may be as he is
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 00:41:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Hubanks
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re : Internet research questions
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Mary Lynn,
As a graduate student, may I be the first to say "Here, here." I am often
disturbed by the number of inquiries for general information, not to mention
the number of discussions based upon questionable information acquired via the
internet, that turn up on this list. I agree with your view that this list
should remain inclusive (I know I have learned much during my time as a
subscriber), but it is a disturbing trend we are witnessing when each day
brings more questions to the list that would be almost as easily researched
through more traditional, more reliable, and more easily confirmed avenues.
As much as I am in favor of the Internet, in general, and this list, in
particular, I am strongly opposed to the proliferation of the use of those
tools as a short cut for bypassing true research. My apologies for stepping
onto my soapbox, but your post has addressed an issue that has been eating at
me for some time now. Thanks for taking the lead on this matter.
John Hubanks
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Date: Mon, 19 May 97 23:04:15 -0700
From: Richard Record
To: "Blake List"
Subject: Re: Internet research questions
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Seth T. Ross
>> Am I the only subscriber to Blake Online who believes that
>> for university graduate students engaged in writing
>> theses on Blake, and even for undergraduates taking
>> courses on Blake, the research process ought to begin in
>> the library?
>
>No. In fact, I wouldn't restrict this to graduate students. The same notion
>should apply to students at the undergrad and secondary levels as well. In
>any
>case, the worse thing someone can do is send the query to the harried
>webmaster at albion.com (me!). --Seth
>
Seth and Mary Lynn,
It's not just the Blake Online group. Our Blake site receives frequent
requests that amount to "Would you please do my homework for me?" I'm
afraid we have sometimes suggested that people address their questions to
this group. In the future I think we'll offer Mary Lynn's suggestion.
Richard
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:33:13 GMT
From: jlord@ull.ac.uk
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Internet research questions
Message-Id: <97052009331297@ull.ac.uk>
Good morning! - Just a brief note, re Mary Lynn's posting about using the
library resources to answer queries. As a librarian, I suppose I am biased,
but it does worry me (professionally) when I see so many postings on this
list asking for info that is so readily available in any half-way decent
research library. Blake is one of the best documented writers in EngLit,
and thanks to Keynes, Bentley, Erdman, and numerous others, we have readily available,
in the compass of half a bookshelf, three complete texts (edited in different ways),
a complete concordance, a comprehensive bibliography of everything WB wrote, and a
complete record of every verifiable, documented fact about his life - and that's without
getting into the visual aspects of his work, which are again solidly recorded by
Butlin, Bindman, Essick, and so on. So let me encourage every Blake student to go
on down to their library, and explore. If nothing else, it'll make your librarian
feel good!! Best wishes - John Lord
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Date: Tue, 20 May 97 11:25:18 UT
From: "Yunhi Lee"
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: importance of etchings
Message-Id:
hi everyone
since blake intended Songs of Innocence and of Experience to be published
accompanied by his etching how much of the whole experience is
lost--especially to the reader encountering this work for the first time--when
they are not (which is usually the case)?
with the possibilities of hyper-text, would it enrich the work to present it
with links to the images rather than have the images incorporated into the
text or would that be the worst of both worlds?
just some thoughts, hope this hasn't been covered to death
yunhi lee
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:34:44 +0100 (BST)
From: "Tristanne J. Connolly"
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a "way in" to Blake
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Hi Alison!
This may not sound very helpful, but I think the best way into Blake is
reading Blake. I'm doing my Ph.D. on Jerusalem, and I've found,
consistently, that the most interesting insights on Blake have come from
people who have done very little 'work' on him. It's a cliche, but they
don't have set opinions yet. Because the characters are so 'multivalent',
it's better I think NOT to know what they mean.
I don't know what Blake you've been reading, but from my personal
experience a good meditative look at The Marriage of Heaven and Hell lets
you in to what Blake's major concerns are, and acquaints you with his
bizarre and fun style of writing--the way he's always pulling the rug out
from under you but making you like it!
If it's any consolation, I don't find Frye so helpful either (tho he's a
fellow Canadian, and taught my former and dearly admired supervisor Alvin
Lee, I don't feel bound to admire him... I sometimes long for the days of
meandering, personal, leisurely scholarship of his brand, but I can't read
it, not after De Luca and Hilton. Secondary sources are often useless but
if you really want them, read their books instead.)
Tristanne
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:41:41 +0100 (BST)
From: "Tristanne J. Connolly"
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Eastern Influence
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Dear Alexander,
Thanks very much for your reference to Maurice, History of Hindostan. I
have been wondering a little about Blake and Hinduism and you have saved
me a number of library minutes. I like to indulge tangents but I hate wild
goose chases!
Much appreciation,
Tristanne
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:57:58 +0100 (BST)
From: "Tristanne J. Connolly"
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Eastern Influence
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Dear Dr. McQuail,
Thank you too for the references on Blake and Hinduism!
though, I am ashamed now for benefitting from someone else's research
question, and admitting that I like to cut down the time I spend in the
library! Not that I don't like libraries, but they wear on me after a few
HOURS...days...years...
I agree to an extent about the research remarks by Dr. Mary Lynn Johnston
(whose presence on this list I have found very helpful) and others. For
people even with a passing interest, libraries open up a world... and, to
be brutally honest, I find a hell of a lot more useful information in the
library than I ever do on the internet.
But. It makes me feel helpful to recommend the books I like best to people
who have done less work in the area; also, it makes me glad to hope that
more people will appreciate the scholarly works I've found brilliant.
Finally, maybe I'm a bad or impatient researcher, but for less obvious
references (like Blake and hinduism!), asking someone who knows saves
time--I am always finding the
perfect book on a topic months after I did my original search--I mean, you
don't always find what you're looking for in a library catalogue and
bibliographies. Asking, just like asking a professor at your university,
is a good supplement to library work.
For what it's worth... and my thanks still hold,
Tristanne.
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 07:32:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: William Neal Franklin
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: importance of etchings
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On Tue, 20 May 1997, Yunhi Lee wrote:
>
> since blake intended Songs of Innocence and of Experience to be published
> accompanied by his etching how much of the whole experience is
> lost--especially to the reader encountering this work for the first time--when
> they are not (which is usually the case)?
>
> with the possibilities of hyper-text, would it enrich the work to present it
> with links to the images rather than have the images incorporated into the
> text or would that be the worst of both worlds?
>
This is one of those cases where you should go directly to the library for
your response. The etchings are essential; so is the experience of
holding the book in your hands. It's nice that we have electronic
capabilities for linking images and text, but with Blake, there is a love
of the physical book that must be revered. I recommend you try to find a
library with facsimiles and enjoy the beauty face-to-face.
Have a good trip,
Bill Franklin
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:40:35 -0400
From: "Alison Bell"
To:
Subject: Re: Internet research and thanks from "looking for a way in"
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I entirely agree that students should start their research in the library,
not on the Internet.
In self-defense, although I don't think that the messages were directed at
me (the one looking for the way in to Blake), I've just moved from Toronto
to a very small town with
a deeply uninspiring library. They are, however, pretty good at
interlibrary loan requests. I posted my query so that I would know what to
ask the library to look for, as I can't cruise the stacks anymore. I LOVE
the Internet, because it brings the stacks to me, in a sense, and I can use
all the minds at this conference to filter the Blake bibliographies that
I've looked at.
And, just wanted to say thanks to all who've made suggestions for my
finding my way in to Blake. Touch(e') to those who just told me to thrash
around. I think you're right, but I'm one who often needs a springboard
for my thrashing, and the other suggestions of introductory material will
be very useful.
(I deeply regret that, as a graduate student at U of T many years ago,
George Bentley taught me the required, mundane subject of Bibliography, and
I wasn't then interested in Blake. Now, there would have been a
springboard, had I known ... )
Now, does anyone know of a site where I can find a few more hours in the
day? ;-)
Thanks again,
Alison Bell
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:09:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: "DR. JOSIE MCQUAIL"
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: shortcuts in library research
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To Tristanne, etc.
Having access to an adequate but unspecialized library these days (in contrast to the Univ. of California system I luckily had access to while writing my
dissertation!) I can sympathize with those who may have difficulty in finding
books readily available. I just happen to have gotten Interlibrary loan that rich volume The Divine Vision: Studies in the Poetry and Art of William Blake I felt happy to share some info from that article by Nanavutty on Blake and Hindu tradition.
I do sometimes get annoyed at the type of question that makes it so obvious a
sender is simply trying to cull a paper out of responses, but it didn't seem
to me that Tristanne's was of that type.
Sometimes I just throw out a casual question that I could maybe answer if I
spent an hour or two in the library, but to me that's part of the point of
this discussion list: sharing knowledge!
Josie McQuail
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:19:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: "DR. JOSIE MCQUAIL"
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Yale Blake exhibit particulars please!
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OK, I could find all this out if I called Yale, but for anyone who has
already attended the exhibition, what are the hours, does it cost anything,
do you have to make an appointment to attend the exhibition of Blake works?
Point of information: is this an exhibit of works that Paul Mellon has just
donated to the Center for STudy of British Art?
Does anyone know if Paul Mellon is still in good health? Did anyone else
read his autobiography? I thought it was fascinating, and a remarkably
honest account of his rather complicated family. I think Blakeans are lucky
to have someone like Paul Mellon as a collector and, finally, benefactor.
Not only did he cheerfully send up to the National Gallery something I
needed to look at for my dissertation, he is donating most of his fantastic
collection to the Paul Mellon Center for Study of British Art at Yale where
it will be available for scholars.
Re: Blake and his illustrations: I may be caught up in the "aura" of the
original work of art, but to me nothing was like seeing one of Blake's own
printings of Songs of Innocence and Songs of Experience. Certainly the
Dover edition, while inexpensive, is very inadequate in conveying the power
of the originals. The Princeton/Blake trust edition is very nice and I
found the commentary very interesting. I haven't used the online material
but I think I would prefer a book to look at for casual perusal (i.e.
reading!)
Thanks for any info and comments.
Josie McQuail
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:01:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: reillys@ix.netcom.com (susan p. reilly)
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Yale Blake exhibit particulars please!
Message-Id: <199705201701.MAA22243@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com>
You wrote:
>
>OK, I could find all this out if I called Yale, but for anyone who has
>already attended the exhibition, what are the hours, does it cost
anything,
All the particulars are at the YCBA website:
http://www.yale.edu/ycba/
but hours are Tues-Sat, 10-5
Admission is free
>do you have to make an appointment to attend the exhibition of Blake
works?
No
>Point of information: is this an exhibit of works that Paul Mellon
has just
>donated to the Center for STudy of British Art?
yes
I'm planning a trip on Friday, and though others have offered comments
on the exhibition here on the listserver, I'll post any other
interesting particulars or e-mail you directly.
Susan Reilly
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:44:20 -0500
From: tomdill@wc.stephens.edu (TOM DILLINGHAM)
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Yale Blake Exhibition
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I have appreciated the comments about the Yale exhibit from various
listmembers, and am nursing a very wan hope of making the trip there
this summer. A "visit" to the YCBA website is definitely worth the
trouble for anyone with web access.
I haven't noticed anyone mentioning the printed catalogue of the exhibition.
It is certainly no substitute for actually going to the exhibit, but
it is a beautiful book, with 50 pages of fine color reproductions of
items from the exhibit and a good introduction. At $15.95 ($5.00
postage and handling) it is also a bargain.
While on the subject of reproductions, I think I noticed someone's
reference to the Dover paperback of _American_ and _Europe_--if I
remember right, the reference said the book was out of print, but
I find that is a false alarm. It is still in their catalogue and
our bookstore recently was successful in ordering it. I might also
add that Dover published an inexpensive ($9.95, I think) edition of
Blake's Job illustrations, in case those asking about his Job are not
aware of it. It is also still in their catalogue.
Tom Dillingham
P.S. By the way, the title of the Yale catalogue is _The Human Form
Divine_, author Patrick Noon.
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Date: Tue, 20 May 97 18:21:41 CDT
From: MTS231F@vma.smsu.edu
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Yale Blake exhibit particulars please!
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>>OK, I could find all this out if I called Yale, but for anyone who has
>>already attended the exhibition, what are the hours, does it cost
>anything,
>
>but hours are Tues-Sat, 10-5
>
ALSO Sunday 12-5, very important for me because I can't make it there
Tues-Sat.
>>Point of information: is this an exhibit of works that Paul Mellon
>has just
>>donated to the Center for STudy of British Art?
>
>yes
I recently typed in a paragraph or two from a feature article in a
recent Yale Alumni Magazine, which informed us that Mellon's Blake
collection was the founding, beating heart of the museum. Therefore,
I would doubt that he recently donated the works.
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:37:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: reillys@ix.netcom.com (susan p. reilly)
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Mellon Collection Redux
Message-Id: <199705210237.VAA18554@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>
To clarify my last post: the YCBA core collection of prints,
drawings, rare books, etc. which forms the "heart" of the center's
holdings of British art was indeed a gift from Mellon to Yale. But at
least some of the Blake watercolors and tempera painting seem to be
newly exhibited or on loan, and have been gathered together for this
special exhibit. Some have never been exhibited in their entirety
before. Anyone else?
Susan Reilly
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:24:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: reillys@ix.netcom.com (susan p. reilly)
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: Re: Yale Blake exhibit particulars please--details of the Mellon collection
Message-Id: <199705210224.VAA10638@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
You wrote:
>
>I recently typed in a paragraph or two from a feature article in a
>recent Yale Alumni Magazine, which informed us that Mellon's Blake
>collection was the founding, beating heart of the museum. Therefore,
>I would doubt that he recently donated the works.
>
>
I'm not certain how "recent" is considered recent, but the exhibition
is based on the Mellon collection--- whether or when it was acquired by
Yale or is just on loan is not specified at the YCBA website. Since
this seems to be a point of some interest, I will try to clarify the
details on Friday and give the list a report!
Susan Reilly
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:35:45 -0400
From: John Franklin Leopold Lazar
To: "'blake@albion.com'"
Subject: RE: shortcuts in library research
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Dear Josie,
Thank you for a bit of passionate reason. This discussion list that =
seems to be filled at times with some insecure academic egos- =
understandable with Blake as your medium. I love the library more than =
most, but there is nothing like getting some hard earned facts from our =
friends or new acquaintances with similar interests. Thank you for =
listing the article. I am going to find read this week, and I am not =
even in school anymore. =20
Academics are lovely, but I wish more of the flag bearers would remember =
what initally got them into Blake.
Personally, I just got a curious imagination for infinitely beautiful =
folks like Blake.
Sincerely curious,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: DR. JOSIE MCQUAIL [SMTP:JAM0073@tntech.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 12:09 PM
To: blake@albion.com
Subject: shortcuts in library research
To Tristanne, etc.
Having access to an adequate but unspecialized library these days (in =
contrast to the Univ. of California system I luckily had access to while =
writing my
dissertation!) I can sympathize with those who may have difficulty in =
finding
books readily available. I just happen to have gotten Interlibrary loan =
that rich volume The Divine Vision: Studies in the Poetry and Art of =
William Blake I felt happy to share some info from that article by =
Nanavutty on Blake and Hindu tradition. =20
I do sometimes get annoyed at the type of question that makes it so =
obvious a
sender is simply trying to cull a paper out of responses, but it didn't =
seem
to me that Tristanne's was of that type. =20
Sometimes I just throw out a casual question that I could maybe answer =
if I
spent an hour or two in the library, but to me that's part of the point =
of
this discussion list: sharing knowledge! =20
Josie McQuail
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